Pushing Fashion Boundaries in an Era Without Any

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As I've been closely following "The most controversial editorials" thread, I see that some subjects of controversy are no more controversial because we have seen them presented many times by the means of fashion. I also came across this article on NYTimes.com and happened to think of the thread :smile:rolleyes:smile: Do you think that fashion is now "out of boundaries" to push ? "Water and Oil" was, in my opinion, the most controversial fashion visuals in the past 2010 since it touched political issues (which are rarely talked about in fashion) while others talked about something (race, religion etc.) we've long seen in this realm.

Your opinions on this ? Voice them. :wink:


THREE times this week I’ve heard someone refer to “a parallel world.” The first was on Sunday, when the wife of a college friend said that she did not pay much attention to the celebrity-media culture. My friend, a real estate investor, and his wife, a doctor, had left Manhattan for Darien, Conn., shortly after 9/11 and were raising two girls in a neighborhood of two-story Colonials and adjoining lawns. I had the distinct sense that she did not mind not knowing who Snooki was (nor did her husband or their elder child, a polite and articulate eighth grader with braids), but also that at one time she did not feel quite so separated from mass culture.

“I feel like I’m living in a parallel world,” she said.

On Monday morning, on the MSNBC program “Morning Joe,” I heard Mike Barnicle make a similar comment, although in the context of the Tucson shootings. The next day, I happened to be speaking to Barbara Vinken, a professor of French literature at the University of Munich and the author of “Fashion Zeitgeist,” when she referred to the Internet not merely as a parallel universe of self-created identities and opportunities, but as “a dark continent,” a place where people “more and more live rather than in the real world.”

This is not a coincidence. Feeling that you are on multiple channels, and not understanding anything clearly, seems to be a condition of modern life, and each of us deals with it differently. My friends do not let their daughters watch television; they just think it is a time-waster and a brain drain. Guarding their creative powers in a world flooded with images and other content, much of it mediocre, is also a concern among up-and-coming fashion photographers like Danko Steiner and Daniel Sannwald, who already deal with timid magazine editors and the perception that, for now, fashion has nothing significant to say.

Few people spend more time looking at fashion images than Pascal Dangin, the founder of Box Studios, who retouches the work of photographers like Patrick Demarchelier, Steven Meisel, Inez van Lamsweerde and Vinoodh Matadin, as well the pages of Vogue, Harper’s Bazaar and Allure, and he says, “We live in a rather dull moment in fashion.”

You can maybe understand, then, why designers and photographers want to perk things up with sex. Sexuality and gender crossovers are always a place to go, like a “Renaissance curiosity cabinet,” as Professor Vinken put it, but especially now that the industry has become slushy with products, and luxury has lost some of its allure. And, as Mr. Dangin said, “We still have some big taboos about sex.”

Last year, Givenchy arguably got as much attention for using Lea T, a transsexual model, in its advertisements as it did for Riccardo Tisci’s collections. Ms. T, a friend of the designer’s for years and a fit model for the house, appeared in fall ads. For his spring 2011 show, Raf Simons used Andrej Pejic, a model with long blond hair and girlish features, because, as Mr. Simons said, his collection of zippered cotton tunics and wide trousers dealt in part with the subject of transgender. “It’s become a natural thing for people to change their bodies,” he said.

Next month, Mr. Pejic will appear in ads for Marc by Marc Jacobs, photographed by Juergen Teller. Mr. Meisel, who has used androgynous models at different periods of his career, took that approach with Balenciaga’s spring campaign. Following on the Lea T ads, Mr. Tisci hired Stephen Thompson, who has albinism.

This week, preparing for his Thierry Mugler debut on Jan. 19 at the Paris men’s shows, Nicola Formichetti was in Montreal photographing a young man named Rick Genest, whom he found on Facebook and is known as Rico. Mr. Genest had his body tattooed to resemble a skeleton, with blackened eye sockets and ghoulishly large dentiture on his lips. “Rico is my muse,” Mr. Formichetti, who styles Lady Gaga, wrote in an e-mail.

Of course, in fashion, things can always get stranger, but they rarely do anymore. Nudity, androgyny, sado-masochistic fantasies, an overtly gay sensibility — all these ideas have been expressed for years. It is hard to look at a collection by Rick Owens, one of the few designers who manages to be both avant-garde and commercial, without seeing androgynous models, and he also once hired a person with albinism.

For Mr. Tisci’s generation, these ideas might be interesting to explore in a new context, and with greater acceptance. But more often than not, the decisions seem arbitrary, amounting to dissidence on the consumer level — something that Susan Sontag and other cultural critics complained about in the 1990s. “It’s just manipulation to get you to the next thing,” said Klaus Stockhausen, the fashion director of German GQ.

As Mr. Dangin said, though, it is easy to see why sexuality is such a hot button. Things are a bit frozen. Many of the designers who could truly communicate ideas — Martin Margiela, Helmut Lang, Alexander McQueen — are gone from the scene. The London-based Mr. Sannwald, whose slightly futuristic photographs are inspired in part by the work of Fritz Lang and other early German filmmakers, recalled being told by an editor of a British magazine that his images were too extreme. He quickly countered by producing some very old issues of Vogue, but those pictures were deemed too risky to use today.

“It was unbelievable,” Mr. Sannwald said. “Everybody is concerned about pleasing the advertisers, and it’s not just the big magazines.”

Like Mr. Steiner, who was the design director of Vogue before he became a full-time photographer, Mr. Sannwald tries to ignore what the mainstream magazines have determined is interesting. Mr. Steiner, whose arresting images appear in the Berlin-based magazine 032c, said, “I’ve always believed that there’s a guiding parameter to photographs, and that’s quality,” adding, “I don’t think commercial is a bad word. Independent magazines can be just as horribly trashy as the others.”

In some ways, the focus on sexuality reflects the fairly narrow thinking of designers and photographers (or, possibly, of editors and advertising agency art directors). After all, the Internet offers people all kinds of ways to express themselves — through blogs, e-commerce, photographs and videos. To be sure, some of it is not worthwhile, but the Internet represents a world that is livelier, more daring and actual than what currently takes place on runways and in mainstream magazines.

One direction suggested by the Internet is the return of individual creative power. As Professor Vinken said, if people can surgically manipulate their bodies, or virtually turn their bodies inside out with tattoos, “you have to wonder what the function of fashion still is?” These ideas, along with technological influences like the shape of carbon-fiber automobiles, are far more potent than another gender-bender.

The photographer Phillip Toledano thinks so, too. He did a series of portraits of people who had undergone fairly radical cosmetic surgery. One man told him he wanted to look like an animated character. “I think the good thing about technology is that it’s going to widen the definition of beauty,” Mr. Toledano said. “It’s pretty narrow now, and also quite modish.” Maybe by the time his infant daughter is a teenager, he mused, she will be able to take a pill and have blue skin. “Because that will be the fashion for a week or two.”


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Interesting article, I guess now whenever something new happens it doesn't come across as drastic as it probably could've. I don't know if its because sometimes fashion plays catch up to changes in society rather laying a path for society to change and conform to until something new comes along. I leaning towards the idea that the pace of fashion would have to slow down in being 'new' all the time for some kind of conformity to establish itself and have society structured around and only then can a 'boundary' can be broken. But it would be incredibly difficult in the diverse world that we live in.
 
Errrm .. I beg to differ .. there are many many taboo issues still in the fashion world ...

You can not put people smoking, or using drugs, or being overtly emaciated, or have theiir faces painted black or have women portrayed on a submissive role on an editorial nor campaign ... what if you had a campaign of people up in the air falling from buildings? people would say 9/11 and ... well .. you know the rest.

The article is correct about no topic is taboo to be discussed or shown on the news but as fashion? I dont think we'll see a 9/11 themed editorial any time now ... or pictures as beautiful as the ones Lewis Carroll took of children (theyd be deemed immoral and kiddie p*rn at once).

As long as there's ignorance, there will be taboos
 
And I don't see too many fashion people willing to push the boundaries of Islam for a cheap thrill and a moment in the headlines, so large aspects of religion and culture still seem off-limits.

Perhaps the way the process works is that when imagery about a certain topic is accepted in the art world, it's not long before it starts to filter down into fashion, first through the alternative magazines, and then later, by everyone else, in a more diluted form, where the purpose isn't to make us think any more, just to purchase.
 
Errrm .. I beg to differ .. there are many many taboo issues still in the fashion world ...

You can not put people smoking, or using drugs, or being overtly emaciated, or have theiir faces painted black or have women portrayed on a submissive role on an editorial nor campaign ... what if you had a campaign of people up in the air falling from buildings? people would say 9/11 and ... well .. you know the rest.

The article is correct about no topic is taboo to be discussed or shown on the news but as fashion? I dont think we'll see a 9/11 themed editorial any time now ... or pictures as beautiful as the ones Lewis Carroll took of children (theyd be deemed immoral and kiddie p*rn at once).

As long as there's ignorance, there will be taboos

Blackface has been done, of course (& discussed here), but there is a boundary there. Women being portrayed in submissive roles seems to be quite common in ad campaigns ...

I'm all in favor of some of these taboos ... there is such a thing as tasteless.
 
I leaning towards the idea that the pace of fashion would have to slow down in being 'new' all the time for some kind of conformity to establish itself and have society structured around and only then can a 'boundary' can be broken.
Exactly. Things in fashion are moving in a very fast pace. Everything has to be 'new' and 'instant', there's a necessity for something fresh and new. You can't even assimilate something and the whole fashion crew are up to something else. There's no cohesion whatsoever and it all ends up being a gimmicky effort. Visionaries are getting lost nowadays. So yeah, as the article says, we live in a rather dull moment in fashion.
 
Oh, fashionista-ta. Its not like Im favor of this. Im just mentioning that there are things that are still of limits.

But of course, me being a half-full-glass type of guy see these taboos as challenges .. is it possible to make them work without being offensive/gaudy?

Id like to say yes.

I think the way to push the boundaries is to take topics are tear them away from their concepts and re work them in an entirely new context. Completely detached from what they originally meant (like the japanese do)
 
I don't think that you can, or should, detatch a thing like blackface from it's original intent.
 
boundaries are relative...
things that may not be sensational may still be 'verboten'...
because now there are many financial and commercial factors that creatives have to deal with..

so the challenges are different...
and everyone has to play it safe...

so...in fact...pushing the boundaries becomes increasingly difficult ...
and rare...

ie- many argue that the carine roitfeld was pushed out of her position of editor in chief of french vogue for not bowing to advertisers and commercial interests...

so...things that might have been no big deal a few years ago are becoming quite risky...

it's all a matter of relativity...
 
Pushing boundaries is both socially and financially risky.
The world just isn't ready to see some taboos broken, especially politically natured things like terrorism and religion. In addition the industry is still recovering from a gigantic financial crisis so it might be a while before we can see anything "groundbreaking", especially given the people in the industry ahem...Alt....ahem.
 

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