"A touch of the oh-la-las"

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There is an article from the ny times posted here http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f47/sans-makeup-sil-vous-plait-nyt-44761.html?highlight=french
about french women and their beauty regimes but i thought this item might be better under skincare

From The Sunday Times
April 15, 2007

A touch of the oh-la-las

Why do French women always look so chic? Helena Frith Powell uncovers their best-kept beauty secrets

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I live close to a small town in southern France (population: 7,464), where there are 19 hairdressers, five beauticians and four lingerie shops. This should tell you something about the priorities of French women. When I first made an appointment at one of the 19 hairdressers, I told my French friend Anne that I was going to get my hair dyed. “Ssshh,” she said, looking anxiously around the cafe to make sure nobody had heard me. “You can’t tell anybody that. C’est pas normale.”
French women are notoriously secretive when it comes to sharing their style and beauty secrets. Looking good and ageing well are an essential part of daily life, but they are a part that women don’t want to share with anybody else. “I like a nice car,” Anne told me, “but I don’t want to know how it works, or how its bodywork is kept in tiptop condition. It’s the same for women: we should look great, but why do we have to tell everyone how we do it?”
Anne goes to the salon twice a week to get her hair done (I found out because I asked the hairstylist — obviously, there was no point in asking Anne). Whenever I see her in town, she says she is on her way to a meeting, but I would wager that the meeting is to have her eyebrows plucked or some of her nonexistent cellulite massaged.
Since I moved here six years ago, I have been amazed by how good French women look. Okay, not all of them — in my village, we do have the slippers-and-pinafore brigade (it’s not a good look) — but the vast majority are groomed from their heads all the way down to their toenails. Just looking at the lotions and potions on sale makes you realise there is more to this French seduction lark than a pair of suspenders. The chemists sell more creams than medicines; creams to make your thighs thinner, creams to make your breasts firmer, creams to make your face smoother, and so on.
While I was researching my book on French women, one lady did admit that looking good can be a full-time job. “By the time you've got down to your toes, it’s time to start at the top again,” she said. “Sometimes, it all becomes a bit much, but it’s not part of our genetic make-up to just let ourselves go.”
Part of the reason it takes so much time is the French philosophy that even if the devil is in the detail, so is much of the pleasure. They start in the places they hope will be seen last. French women even follow fashion when it comes to what my children politely call “your parts”. Right now, the fashion is for cropped hair in those “parts”. Just so you know.
Anne is as likely to share her secrets as she is to do the school run with a chipped nail. But maybe because I’m not French, and therefore not seen as competition (what threat could an English woman possibly pose?), I have managed to prise some top beauty tips that are guaranteed to make you more seductive than ever before from other French ladies.
Breasts
My friend Nicole says the way to keep breasts pert is to douse them in cold water every morning. “Put a flannel in some ice-cold water, then wring it out and place it on your breasts,” she says. “It is much more effective than any cream for keeping them firm.”
Buttocks and thighs
French women swear by cellulite creams. In fact, they swear by anything that keeps them trim, but doesn’t involve exercise. According to Brigitte Papin, the health and beauty editor of Madame Figaro, one in three supplements sold in French chemists are slimming aids. When I told Papin I didn’t believe in anti-cellulite creams, she said I was “so British”. So I tried them. I tried Clarins Total Body Lift (£30; 0800 036 3558) during the day and L’Oréal Body Expertise PerfectSlim gel (£10.99) at night. After three months, I’m still sceptical, but if it gives me thighs anywhere near as smooth as hers, I’ll keep it up.
Spas
A French woman will give her body an annual service by checking into a spa. Edith Cresson, the former prime minister, prefers a thalassotherapy spa on the Brittany coast, where she goes every year for eight days “to unwind and look after myself”. Cresson says she has four beauty treatments a day and comes out glowing. This approach is clearly popular: there are 13 thalassotherapy spas in Brittany alone (www.allo-thalasso.com).
Hands and feet
“My top tip for seductive hands and feet is to rub cream into them as often as you can. There’s nothing more unsexy than flaky feet,” says Manon, a Parisian friend who swears by the Body Shop’s Peppermint Cooling Foot Lotion (£7). “Once a month, I cover my hands and feet in cream and then wrap them in clingfilm for the whole night.” I have yet to try her tip (maybe it’s the clingfilm that’s putting me off), but I have tried the Metrospa hand and foot facial at Richard Ward’s salon in London (020 7730 1222), where your extremities are treated to microdermabrasion (normally reserved for the face) before a pedicure or manicure. This process removes the top layer of skin, leaving your hands and feet soft enough to caress or be caressed.
Body moisture
Another tip for all-over-smooth seductive skin from Nicole is to put on body moisturiser after your shower or bath without completely drying your skin first. This locks in moisture much more effectively.
Face
Sylvie Tellier, a former Miss France who now runs the Miss France competition, uses Biafine as a face mask. This cream is traditionally used for minor burns and rashes, and every French mother has it in her medicine cabinet. “I love it,” she says. “It makes my skin glow and is really hydrating.” Stock up on your next trip — Biafine is only available in French pharmacies (www.biafine.orthoneutrogena.com).
A tip from Laurence, the mother of a friend, is to sleep in a moisturising mask the night before a big date. Be sure to exfoliate beforehand, so it is really effective. Laurence also told me her mother used to drink a lot of camomile tea to reduce the muscular tension that causes dark circles under the eyes. And, of course, it helps you to sleep.
Make-up
Yves Saint Laurent said: “The most beautiful make-up on a woman is passion, but cosmetics are easier to buy.” French women don’t believe in overdoing the cosmetics: seduction is all about being naturally sexy. They are big on what they call “le no make-up look”. According to Marie-Pierre Lannelongue, the fashion editor of French Elle, English women take the opposite approach: “It’s like, ‘Look at me, I’ve made such an effort.’ You would never get a French woman doing that. For us, less is more.”
If you want to be seductively made up à la française, go easy on the blusher, use a good base such as Chanel Teint Innocence (£21; 020 7493 3836), a little mascara and some lip gloss. Of course, your lip gloss goes with you everywhere. A French woman always thinks about looking sexy, even if she is just walking the dog. When I met Ségolène Royal, who may possibly become the first female president of France this month, she had three things with her: a notepad, a pen — and lip gloss. The most alluring gloss I have tried is the volumising LipFusion XL Micro-Injected Lip Plump (£38.30; www.skinstore.co.uk).
Perfume
Coco Chanel was once asked where you should spray scent. Her response? “Wherever you want to be kissed.”
The same could well apply to a French woman’s entire beauty regime. She takes care of every part of her body and face so that she’s ready to seduce anybody from her husband to the Duke of Westminster. And who wouldn’t want to do that?
 
Interesting article to read :flower: Maybe it's so American of me but I don't really believe that it takes so much to look beautiful though.
 
yet another article about french beauty, this time from The Telegraph

The body beautiful


Last Updated: 12:01am BST 25/04/2007


Your guide to make-up and more by Lesley Thomas. This week: French looks
In the old days, ladies of the Left had a reputation for wearing baggy, bobbly leggings, needlessly robust shoes, and sporting more hair than was strictly necessary. It's no wonder, then, that those Blairite MPs with bad perms and red, boxy jackets were considered "babes" a decade ago.
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Young at heart: Carine Roitfeld, the editor of French VogueFrench women, on the other hand, do not associate looking lovely with a lack of ideological clout and "Ségo", as the socialist in stilettos is affectionately known, is a spectacular, radiant case in point. She is, of course, blessed with some pretty good raw material (the cheekbones, the lips, the legs) but no one looks as stupendously good as she does at 53 without putting in a serious amount of work.
Her hands alone, always shown off with a bracelet sleeve, speak of twice-weekly manicures. (By the way, French women do not have French manicures, and nor should you - unless you are a glamour model.)
Her warm chestnut hair is so understated, so perfectly suited to her olive skin tones, you'd think it wasn't coloured at all. Her make-up looks barely there - which we know can be achieved only by studied and careful application.
There's one easy way to tell how seriously a woman takes her grooming - check the brows. Mme Royal's just-thick-enough eyebrows are exemplary. When it comes to her looks, this woman is a precisionist. And I am pleased to report that there is no such thing as effortless French beauty. Easy good looks take time and toil.
The thing about French women is that, unlike us, they don't go on about their beauty travails. They wouldn't dream of discussing grey roots or their stretchmarks with their friends over a bottle or 10 of Sancerre.
Ségolène Royal and other amazing-looking French women d'une certaine age - Carole Bouquet, the actress and Chanel muse; Carine Roitfeld, the 50-year-old editor of French Vogue; and our own Kristin Scott Thomas, whom the French seem to have adopted - all help keep up the unspoken pretence.
They start early. Around the time they discuss the facts of life, a maman will teach her daughter how to cleanse, tone and moisturise. Emma MacLennan, a training manager with Carita - one of the premium French brands favoured by Catherine Deneuve - says: "They start as young as 16 years old and, by the time they're 25, it's taken very seriously; a French woman will have a facial every two months and when she's older they'll be weekly." A blow-dry three times a week is not unusual, she says.
French women understand that looking good does not necessarily mean looking young, which in this era of Botox mania and youth obsession can only be praised. Carita's legendary Pro-lifting Firming Facial (£80; 020 7313 8780) is a favourite with powerful Parisiennes.
They don't spend fortunes on faddish products, either, and the French beauty companies are selling to a tough, knowing market. Luckily, some of their best and most reliable ranges are available here. We all know about Clarins, the best-selling French range, but there are plenty of other great Gallic brands. Caudalie, the range based on "vinotherapy", where the antioxidant properties of grapes are harnessed for skincare, is an experts' favourite.
The Radiance Serum (£39, www.caudalie.com) is brilliant for evening out the skin tone and fading age spots. Its Eau de Beauté facial spray (£24) is a personal favourite for a tired or hungover face.
The Eau Thermale Avène range is one I'd suggest for anyone with very sensitive or dry skin. If you have the irritable kind of skin that spoils a beach holiday, I can't recommend the suncare highly enough. Try the 50+ SPF Ultra High Protection (£13.50; 0845 117 0116).
The French invented the word for dimply thighs - for which we must never forgive them - but they've also invented the best cellulite fighters. Elancyl made the first rubber home-massage device 30 years ago and it's still going strong: Active Slimming Massage (£19.99) includes the fat-busting liquid soap.
They may look cool and soignée on the outside, but inside Parisiennes are panicking about the width of their thighs and the bushiness of their brows.
 
I can't imagine doing all that! so much money and so much time...
 
I think it's more about maintenance. What I noted about Carine Roitfeld at the Costume Institute Ball, regardless of what she wore, her hair and skin looked so healthy and it gave such a wonderful overall impression. I think once you start being this dedicated to personal grooming, it's hard to slip up.
Thanks for these articles :flower:
 
Very interesting article. I picked up two things I'd like to try from it - the tea to keep away dark circles, and the Biafine to moisturize the face. ^_^
 
They wouldn't dream of discussing grey roots or their stretchmarks with their friends over a bottle or 10 of Sancerre.
I don`t get it,why not talk to your gfs about cellulite and strechmarks.Isn`t that the best way to get some advice?
 
I think discussing one´s flaws (or at least the ways we use to conceal our flaws) with anyone but your closest friends in a very private environment is definitely a no-no.

I´ve heard (many times) women complaining about their gray hairs, their body fat and hair removal issues in front of their husbands. Hey, even if the poor lad smiles and politely says nothing, I bet he would have prefered to remain in a blissful state of ignorance about all that.

I think that women frequently whine about their flaws to be conmiserated or to fish for compliments.
Also a big trend is what I call "oral dieting" that is to blab permanently about what you "DON´T" eat and about how careful you are with your diet. It frequently comes hand in hand with the public flaunting of your multiple phisical activities, like for instance how many hours a week you jog, or do yoga or pilates or whatever.

I mean it´s OK to diet, to work out, to pluck your unwanted body hair, to cover your gray and to get your cellulite massaged...but is it a worthy subject of conversation?

I think it´s alluring and misterious for a woman not to reveal herself too much in areas that are not required for normal human sociability.
To me the best way is to simply present the best image one can to the world. No explanations and details required.
A true artist simply shows his work and is not always talking about all the work it took.
 
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^ Fantastic post and very interesting perspective. I definitely can understand many of your points. I have frequently ecountered women, for example, who INSIST on verballizing that they have not eaten all day or have been very strict with their dieting all week...as they take a whopping bite of a burger...almost to prevent any unwanted criticism about what they are eating at the moment or as a badge of honor. What are you supposed to reply? Congratulations for eating nothing but lettuce all week, you wonderful wonderful woman? I also work with several women, one in particular, who constantly put themselves down physically and also insert the phrases "when I was ten pounds thinner" or "now I am too fat" into every conversation. Not only is it dull and boring, but it also very uncomfortable for those partaking in the dialogue. I mean, are we expected to shake our heads in agreement, that yes, you are intend a blubbery whale? As far as some beauty regimes are concerned, I firmly believe in sharing your secrets with friends, especially those that work well, but some rituals should be kept private. Just last week, I went to a seminar on Burt's Bees products at my local health food store. One woman raised her hand and asked the lecturer if they made shaving cream, so she could shave her face. Why declare to a room full of strangers that you are a bearded lady? Especially if you remove the hair at home and don't go walking around with it on your face!

Still, I am the sort of person who wears her heart on her sleeve. I myself could probably work on letting my "beauty" remain a mystery. :wink:
 
I agree with both of you that women are often a little too open about the lengths they go to be beautiful. My sister is one of those perfectly good-looking people who never shuts up about how "fat" she is and how she had to cut this and that out of her diet. But that article wasn't about women having self-esteem issues; it's about maintaining mystery and the illusion of perfection. I wonder if these women would even recognize themselves if they stripped away all the manic grooming and eighty dollar face creams... I don't get why is it so necessary to look as pristine as a wax figure. To me it's just very false and moreover, it smacks of objectification. It's okay to look like a real live human being, which is why I much prefer a more relaxed, natural approach to beauty.
 
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great posts, cosmogirl and princesita :heart:
I think the article might be a little exaggerated about keeping beauty rituals private as a form of competition, it seems to me that it is more about being discreet on subjects that like cosmogrl says, no one cares to hear about (because what could they possibly reply?) or at least it's a subject that just concerns you and nobody else.. it must be a cultural thing perhaps but I was also taught that it was bad taste to discuss diets or body 'stuff' in public places.. I do it with my friends if it comes out spontaneously but I don't think it's really a topic of conversation.. not for women or men.
 
It´s soooooo boring to hear perfectly presentable people talking about their "flaws"!

I just wanna shout... What do you want me to say? That you look great?

I think maybe the article over emphasizes on the "secretness" that certain french women keep on their beauty regime. But hey... maybe there´s a medium point between secret and constant blabbing.

I mean, I obviously talk about my beauty conundrums with my friends and ask for their opinion. I always learn great tricks from them, and I thank them for their kind criticism.

We all have flaws, but making them public does not erase them. Sometimes I think people talk about their flaws to show everybody that they´re aware of them.

I think that true acceptance of oneself begins with well...accepting yourself with your high and lows, and shutting one´s mouth about things that cannot be changed.It´s nobody´s business but your own.

Even better than accepting yourself is loving yourself, and treating yourself in a caring and loving way, in private and in public.

A decent human being wouldn´t point out the gray hair, the body fat or the cellulite of a beloved one.

Why would you do that with yourself?

If being "french" is behaving in a polite way with yourself and with others, so...Vive la France!

Loved your posts Cestmagique, Mulletproof and Cosmogirl.:heart:
 
So I'm going to go ahead and be the uncouth one by asking personal questions about hygeine in public : Has anyone tried the ice cold water on the boobs trick? Does it really work?
 
^:lol:

I've tried it.. and I think it works, for a few minutes. I suppose it has a long-term benefit if tried daily..
 
Oh my god! OOOOOOoooooH!

I tried it, and it works, but I end up avoiding it in winter, because it ruins the whole "nice warm shower" effect in those ice cold days.

Besides that, I always shower keeping my back to the shower, so the hot water falls primarily on my shoulders and back, and doesn´t impact so badly on my boobs.

PS: Your Anna Mouglalis avatar is a dream, Fabulyss
 
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Why do french women always look so chic? Crikey no brand of racism there. I see chic beautiful well kept women everywhere I go. To be honest I haven't noticed any difference between france or any other place I go. o_O;
 

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