Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[JohannesL]

2. @JohannesL that comment kind of makes me wonder how many Chinese friends you have. I'm from Australia (e.g. where Asians are a big part of the population) so I always grew up with Chinese friends at high school, uni and work. My Chinese friends (most who grew up in China) are hurt by racism like anyone else and honestly I find them to be far less casually racist than many white friends. They are not stuck up, they are normal human beings, and it isn't correct to generalise entire populations based on a bad experience you have had or cliches heard from non-Chinese people.

I apologize if my comment offended anyone here. BTW, I grew up in a communist country and I knew deeply in my heart that they are very Caucasian-friendly, but not really embracing diversity in a way like most westerners!

 

[THD96]

I know it's seem like an impossible thing but why not just respect Asian (everybody in general) whether they are luxury clients or not. Bryanboy is not trying to tell people to respect the Chinese but rather tell the West to fear them because they are responsible for "salaries and form of livelihood". What about people that cannot afford luxury brands?

I'm sure Michel and "légende" Marie will acting all nice in front of a Chanel Haute Couture Chinese client. When they talked about "Wuhan Girls" they talk about the frugal Chinese that have been mocking since forever.

 

[[Piece Of Me]]

This is just another example of her far removed these people are from reality; something we see a lot in the fashion industry but at the same time is definitely not only there. It is mostly a sign of privilige and extreme ignorance. The fact they even think it's okay to do AND post about it says it all, doesn't it? I also don't buy Michel's apology at all, it's just damage control but the damage has already been done. And the reaction of that Marie woman, calling people who call her out 'racist' is just one of the most bizarre things I have seen so far this year.

 

[theBlueRider]

I know it's seem like an impossible thing but why not just respect Asian (everybody in general) whether they are luxury clients or not. Bryanboy is not trying to tell people to respect the Chinese but rather tell the West to fear them because they are responsible for "salaries and form of livelihood". What about people that cannot afford luxury brands?

I'm sure Michel and "légende" Marie will acting all nice in front of a Chanel Haute Couture Chinese client. When they talked about "Wuhan Girls" they talk about the frugal Chinese that have been mocking since forever.

I agree with this statement.

In the United States, the Asian people here are mostly part of a diaspora and many came from generations of refugees or even as far back as the pacific slave labor trade in the 1700s. It is a different population than the people who are still living in Asia. It is important to make the distinction from Asian American. @JohannesL

Also, in the US, the Asian population has a lot of wealth inequality. So some are luxury consumers and then some are middle brand consumers and then there are some who can barely afford to eat. They all deserve respect no matter what their so called purchasing power. Asian American is very different from someone who is based in Asia.

In the US, even Asian Americans who have their lineage in the US for many decades are still treated as foreign/otherness with a reduction of rights. People based out of Asia or first generation/tourist/recent immigrant may not understand the complex history (from slavery to Reconstruction to the massacres to the exclusion act to the internment camps to the scapegoating etc) and reduction of rights because Asian American history is simply not taught overseas and barely even taught in the US.

 

[Benn98]

In the US, even Asian Americans who have their lineage in the US for many decades are still treated as foreign/otherness with a reduction of rights.

This sounds ghastly! Not you saying it.
I must admit a year or so ago Michelle Lee from Allure had a podcast interview and she said that she always felt she couldn't allow herself to be too outspoken or too ambitious because that would be out of step with the 'model minority' (first time I came a came across the phrase) persona that Asians had in the US. This stereotype is obviously damaging, but with your comment in mind I think it also grouped the AA community as a monolith, ignoring the different socioeconomic tiers.

 

[danawokarrr]

I know it's seem like an impossible thing but why not just respect Asian (everybody in general) whether they are luxury clients or not. Bryanboy is not trying to tell people to respect the Chinese but rather tell the West to fear them because they are responsible for "salaries and form of livelihood". What about people that cannot afford luxury brands?

He's obviously just talking to them in the language they understand- money. It's easy to say don't be racist, but unfortunately racists will be racist no matter what, so the least they can do is not be publicly hurtful. Money talks and by being insensitive to Asians, they are turning off a large (perhaps the largest) share of customers in the luxury market. Basically "how can you take their money for your livelihood and still disrespect them?"

 

[arabchic]

I can’t stand bryanboy and his comments about racism. He is so out of touch.
He posted this after the Asian mask controversy and it’s so tone deaf. Does he think a group of people deserve respect just because they buy luxury items? I’ve seen him make similar comments countless of times.



He posted this tweet once in response to someone asking what kind of people like to buy Chanel clothing. He didn’t need to say to stop looking at “other caucasians and black”.

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He once made a dumb comment about how dissing a dictator like Xi Jinping is racist!
As someone who lives under a dictatorship I think anyone should diss them as much as they like.
He himself lives in a bubble of kellys and chanel; should leave social justice to it’s actual folks..

 

[JohannesL]

I remember those days when going to college in the U.S., we were told in the class that, unlike other minority groups, the majority of Asian American is not economically disadvantaged, so they are in a different or better situation than other minority groups. But the truth is historically Asian Americans are highly underrepresented in politics and society. Mostly, I think it's always wrong to assume that one has to be wealthy to be respected and treated equally, and well simply because they can afford luxury goods. If it's the case, isn't the same brainwashed propaganda proposed by those tyrannical regimes targeting their citizens every time when most of them barely know those luxury brands and are forced to boycott them because their country is wealthy and should not be bullied by those brands. The reality is I bet 99% of those heads of luxury brands would trade their souls for those dictatorship money so it's even harder to demand people in this industry to have any integrity as we have been seeing those racist acts and ingenuine apologies throughout the years!

 

[fashionista-ta]

Every week for 6 years?! Just wow.

 

[theBlueRider]

I remember those days when going to college in the U.S., we were told in the class that, unlike other minority groups, the majority of Asian American is not economically disadvantaged, so they are in a different or better situation than other minority groups. But the truth is historically Asian Americans are highly underrepresented in politics and society. Mostly, I think it's always wrong to assume that one has to be wealthy to be respected and treated equally, and well simply because they can afford luxury goods. If it's the case, isn't the same brainwashed propaganda proposed by those tyrannical regimes targeting their citizens every time when most of them barely know those luxury brands and are forced to boycott them because their country is wealthy and should not be bullied by those brands. The reality is I bet 99% of those heads of luxury brands would trade their souls for those dictatorship money so it's even harder to demand people in this industry to have any integrity as we have been seeing those racist acts and ingenuine apologies throughout the years!

I'm sorry you were misled while you were studying here. I can PM you some data on the extreme economic inequality in the Asian American community (the most extreme of all groups ranging from wealthy to poverty). But also, you were lucky to not have been falsely targeted because our DOJ has increased surveillance on Asian and Asian American students.

It is true that actual Asian American representation in the media barely exists. When there were PSAs about the stopasianhate movement, how many of those actors/influencers/media personalities people were actual household names in America (Philip Lim, Prabal Gurung, Daniel Dae Kim, Chriselle Lim)? It is so important to not use non-American non-Diaspora Asian people to represent Asian Americans (BTS, Sun Fei Fei, Liu Wen). Also, not all Asian Americans are even Chinese descent. So when we talk about "Asians" then it also include so many more nationalities and ethnicities in the Asian continent (who are often mistaken for the wrong grouping whether it is Central Asia to South Asia to East Asia). There is certainly purchasing power spread around there as well as the burden of labor for fashion and beauty companies.

 

[fakeawake]

bryanboy literally lives in the whitest place in the world, sweden right? despite being from manila he couldn't wait to get away from asians. he cant be taken seriously.

 

[dsamg]

He once made a dumb comment about how dissing a dictator like Xi Jinping is racist!
As someone who lives under a dictatorship I think anyone should diss them as much as they like.
He himself lives in a bubble of kellys and chanel; should leave social justice to it’s actual folks..

This comment is very true and this is exactly what people need to understand. The CCP does not equal Chinese people. You can be critical of the CCP without insulting Chinese people in the meantime.

 

[theBlueRider]

This comment is very true and this is exactly what people need to understand. The CCP does not equal Chinese people. You can be critical of the CCP without insulting Chinese people in the meantime.

On top of that the people of Chinese descent outside of China are probably of the refugee diaspora. What a shame to escape persecution only to be persecuted again.

And why is it that when we talk about racism against Asians then people have to talk about the Chinese government? As if China is the only country in Asia? Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Cambodian, Indian, Kazakh, Nepalese, Malaysian etc people also experience Anti-Asian racism.

 

[JohannesL]

I think part of the reason is the Chinese government always takes it to another level nowadays and suddenly the focus is all on the Chinese. And the fashion industry obviously takes into account that China outweighs the rest of Asia in terms of market share. Back in the days, I still remember even at their prime the Japanese never ask for it. That's why we seldom hear the Japanese/Korean complaining because they are uncensored to express their opinions on social media or elsewhere.

 

[fashionista-ta]

I see that I should've included context, as this makes no sense where it landed It's just amazing to me that she took pictures of her dinner guests in those 'masks' hundreds of times, apparently without anyone ever expressing something might be wrong She's admitting to a whole nother level of clueless here ...

Every week for 6 years?! Just wow.

 

[theBlueRider]

I think part of the reason is the Chinese government always takes it to another level nowadays and suddenly the focus is all on the Chinese. And the fashion industry obviously takes into account that China outweighs the rest of Asia in terms of market share. Back in the days, I still remember even at their prime the Japanese never ask for it. That's why we seldom hear the Japanese/Korean complaining because they are uncensored to express their opinions on social media or elsewhere.

There is a new generation that is more outspoken than ever before and we can thank social media. Prabal Gurung is an incredible voice and visionary to watch out of the fashion world.

Which time period are you referring to when you say "back in the days"? The were days in the back of American history when the Japanese were outspoken about the discrimination they were facing from the aftermath of the bombing and internment camps. Japanese Americans were very outspoken about how they were unfairly profiled as being "spies" to the "enemy"...
The thing is that Asian Americans (who are different from people inside China, Korea, Japan and other Asian nations) have always been outspoken but outsiders don't like to listen. Subsequently, the stories are washed out and erased. Look up Patsy Mink, Vincent Chin, Yuri Kochiyama.

 

[Marc10]

 

[Benn98]

Does anybody have the entire article? Bernstein seems to feel cool that Gucci banned him by posting only the part that mentions his name instead of the crucial bit explaining why Gucci banned him which I know is probably a trash excuse, but I'd still like to see it just for context sake.

 

[YohjiAddict]

Honestly, I would feel flattered to be banned by Gucci.

 

[THD96]

This is the article that got Nytimes got banned

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/fashion/trump-gucci.html

This is the article in the IG post

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/16/style/gucci-balenciaga-celine-fall-2021.html